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Toxic bugs?

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:02 pm
by Barlapipas 6
Are there any bugs with toxins that can blacken CPs (vft, sarracenia) leafs? I know from experience that ladybugs can and I have heard that pill bugs and millipedes produce some toxins.

Re: Toxic bugs?

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:15 pm
by ChefDean
It's generally less that they're toxic (although there are a few suspected to be), but more so that they're too big (larger than about 1/3 - 1/2 the length of the trap or too bulky) to be digested quickly enough. The bacteria in the bug help the bug rot and mold before it can be consumed, which the plant can't handle.
In my experience, Neps are about the only ones that resist it longer, askong as fluid stays in the pitcher. I stuff mine with Japanese Beetles and June Bugs and only lose a few pitchers.

Re: Toxic bugs?

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:07 pm
by Barlapipas 6
In my experience when I fed my nepenthes a ladybug, immediately the next day it started dying.

Re: Toxic bugs?

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:10 am
by Apollyon
Idk if lovebugs are an issue where you are but they'll trash a Sarracenia pretty good and seem to *love* Nep flowers. haven't noticed pitcher death yet but its my first year having them outside

Re: Toxic bugs?

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:29 am
by optique
I didn't know Ladybugs were toxic. Clemson U. releases waves of them every year in my area. They are all over everything outside when the do.

Re: Toxic bugs?

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:19 pm
by Intheswamp
Interesting about the ladybugs being toxic. It appears that they secrete a "fluid" when they feel in danger. Quote: "alkaloid (coccinelline)-rich fluid (reflex blood) from leg joints". Supposedly, birds that eat on the fly, such as flycatchers, swallows, martins, etc., don't mind the taste but the "garden variety" of birds don't like the taste. I wonder if when they fall in a pitcher or otherwise trapped by a CP if they secrete this fluid and it is what causes the problems.

As for lovebugs...my few little sundews have been enjoying them! I'm not sure about the flytraps, I haven't seen one close on one or have one hanging out of it's trap.

Re: Toxic bugs?

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:54 pm
by Savethetrees4life
Boxelder bugs seem to also be toxic or not well tolerated by the vft I have outside. My home is near a boxelder maple. :(