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Need some comments please

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:22 pm
by bunkyz52
Hello again from Delaware, hope everyone is doing well. I've recently made some changes to my original indoor setup plans and would like some options. I was given a new 20 gallon L aquarium. (30"L x 12"D x 12"H) I have on the way a new 24" four bulb T5 grow light which I plan to suspend over the tank as close as possible. The light is rated at 10,000 linens. I'm thinking while addressing all of the temperature, humidity and ventilation requirements this combination should work well for VFT's, SD's and some types of pitchers. What do you think?? Ideas?

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:30 pm
by Shadowtski
You might want to stick something like this Acu-rite 00613 in your tank to monitor the temperature and humidity. Four T-5s kick out a fair deal of heat. Stick it in the tank at plant - level somewhere. You might want to add a fan if the temperature is higher than you want.

Just my two cents worth.

Good growing,
Mike

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:50 pm
by bunkyz52
Hi Mike, l think the monitor is a great idea. I've never seen one before but it sure seems like the perfect way to let me know when and what kind of adjustments I need to make. I do plan to use at least one or two computer fans to keep temperatures down and good air circulation. Thanks for your suggestions, you've been very helpful. :)

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:28 pm
by ArowanaLover1902
You might want to check out my similar terrarium, I've got fans and a humidifier, but then again, I'm growing nepenthes. Also, unless you are growing sarracenia pitchers, your combination may not work. Venus flytraps, north american pitchers, and sundews generally don't want high humidity, whereas others pitchers won't do well with the low humidity situations your light will create. If you have almost any gap with high temps, the humidity escapes too fast, I have to use my humidifier in correlation with a regulator/monitor for the plants to be happy. Also, 10,000 Linens? Do you mean lumens, in which case, that is far too high, you want varying bulbs, maybe a 3000, 4000, and two 6500's Lumen bulbs would work best. PM me if you have any questions, I think I'll probably be able to help, though I am still working on how to create a nightime drop (for a reasonable budget)

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:05 pm
by ArowanaLover1902
You might want to check out my similar terrarium, I've got fans and a humidifier, but then again, I'm growing nepenthes. Also, unless you are growing sarracenia pitchers, your combination may not work. Venus flytraps, north american pitchers, and sundews generally don't want high humidity, whereas others pitchers won't do well with the low humidity situations your light will create. If you have almost any gap with high temps, the humidity escapes too fast, I have to use my humidifier in correlation with a regulator/monitor for the plants to be happy. Also, 10,000 Linens? Do you mean lumens, in which case, that is far too high, you want varying bulbs, maybe a 3000, 4000, and two 6500's Lumen bulbs would work best. PM me if you have any questions, I think I'll probably be able to help, though I am still working on how to create a nightime drop (for a reasonable budget)

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:18 pm
by bunkyz52
Hello again, I'm following up my earlier post with a request for some educated advice. I've been monitoring the progress of the couple VFT's to see what kind of effect my present setup is going to have before I move on. Here's a quick overview. 20L aquarium, 4 6500k two foot bulbs, temp is controlled by digital temperature controller and computer fan between 68-78 degrees and humidity staying around 65% using a bed of pea gravel. Plants are 6" from lights. I'm not getting the compact growth I was expecting. Somewhat leggy. Any ideas on what I need to adjust? Thanks in advance for your help :D

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:47 am
by ArowanaLover1902
Are you using RO water? Those bulbs are part of the problem, they need to be switched down to a 3000, 4000, and two 6500, then you'll have far better growth as well as flowers later. I'd up the humidity to 70%. Also, move those lights farther from the plant, try 12 inches. Your fan is also likely drying out the plants soil. Change out the pea gravel for sphagnum around the plant pots, you'll have far better results as well as a more stable humidity. Have your fan on a timer too, it helps a lot. I have mine come on for 30 minutes 4 times a day.

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:07 am
by bunkyz52
Hi everyone, getting things setup and I have a quick question. Using a 20L aquarium where is the best location for the ventilation/cooling fan. It's controlled by a thermostat but I'm also trying to get my humidity under better control. Lol, working on it :D

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:45 am
by boarderlib
ArowanaLover1902 wrote:Those bulbs are part of the problem, they need to be switched down to a 3000, 4000, and two 6500, then you'll have far better growth as well as flowers later.
There is nothing wrong with running only 6500k bulbs. I run a 4 bulb T5 HO fixture on my heli tank with only 6500k bulbs at 10" away from the top of the pots. My helis are definitely not etoliated. They are well colored and happy!

ArowanaLover1902 wrote:Also, move those lights farther from the plant, try 12 inches.

If the plants are etoliated moving the light further away will only make the problem worse, not better.

A pic of your setup as well as detailed plant list will get you better advice as we can see what the problems are instead of guessing at what the problems are.

The solution could be something as simple as adding a reflector, but we can't see it to tell you what it is.


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Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:04 pm
by bunkyz52
I hope I've done this right. Hopefully here's a couple pics and here's what's currently in it:
Growlist: 6/11/17
1 - Dionaea Typical
1 - Dionaea (unknown)

1 - Sarracenia (unknown)

1 - D. Capensis NG
1 - D. Capensis GR NG
1 - D. Binata NG
1 - D. Tracyii NG
1 - D. Spathulata NG
1 - D. Capillaris NG
temps stay between 72 and 80 and humidity averages 75-80%. The sundews are new, the others were potted about a month ago. I'm open to any advice. I want to do this right. :D

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:58 pm
by boarderlib
Those plants you have listed will do just fine in ambient household conditions. To be honest they would be much happier being outside in variable conditions than closed up in a tank.

If you're set on growing them in there you need to get that light closer, get some real bulbs. I never trust what companies market as "grow" bulbs. They are usually in the 3200k area. That's fine to mix with stronger bulbs, but it is not sufficient by themselves. Go online, and find daylight bulbs for your fixture. Don't worry about the "grow bulbs" that's a ploy to charge more money for the same bulb.

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Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:47 pm
by bunkyz52
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Hello, I'm not having much luck finding bulbs labeled as being a "daylight" bulb. Is there a specific place I should be looking.

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:14 pm
by KategoricalKarnivore
Daylight bulbs can be found anywhere bulbs are sold. What you should look for is the color temperature. Daylight bulbs are 6500k. It should say on the packaging.

Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:56 pm
by boarderlib
If you can't find them in a home improvement store, check a hydroponics shop. If not there you may need to order them online. I have a hard time finding T5 bulbs locally here too. I usually just end up just ordering like 12 since I have a 4 bulb fixture. That sets me up for awhile.

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Re: Need some comments please

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:12 am
by ArowanaLover1902
I've seen them at my local lowes every time. You could try a local pet store such as petsmart?